Is God morally grateful NOT to tinker next to Human Free Will, or have Free Will other be His insurance ......?
...... policy against potential "Creation Malpractice" claims?
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That is what the thoughtful gods of organized religion are like. My god is the Universe itself and the Earth is goddess. We are the consciousness, the sentience of the two combined surrounded by contradictions and collaberations that we call human free will and moral obligations.
Karma will never hold a grudge once you own paid restitution and learned the lesson from it. (Just something that I feel should be added here.)
As for faith I say leap and tolerate leap, people. Source(s): Divine inspiration?
<I>- You have a knack for stirring the waters...
Hats off to Gene and several others for making a stab at this.
I'll try a smaller amount ambitious response focusing on God's legal defense against the charge of negligence.
"Creation Malpractice"- great concept! The early Christians and Agnostics would enjoy been willing to sue believing that our universe be not the creation of God (as in the Almighty), but God's evil twin brother (please excuse the paraphrasing).
But then again, how can you consent to someone off the hook who is omnipotent. Isn't that what Seinfield and company get locked up for in the last episode? They could enjoy prevented the crime but did nothing?
But God might be able to muster some defense to the effect that as one who is invincible, he surly has the power to render himself not omnipotent- thus paradoxically allowing free will lacking any ultimate supervision, unable to alter his beloved flock's destiny, sort of...
But I don't reckon the jury would buy it..
Perhaps with one last desparate ploy, God fires his attorney ( probably Epictetus), and decide to question one last witness. He call, Gabriel who swears to God to tell the truth.
Gabriel, looks nervous and near good reason. He have intended to play no part in this civil suit, hoping that God, who conspicuously favored mere men over angels, would get his comeupptence. But Gabriel is not prepared for God's one simple question.
When asked, "what is man?", he must respond,
"he is but a hole".
God continues, "and if specifically true then were I to saturate them up with all that they desire, close to a hole, they would cease to exist?"
Gabriel, attempting to look away but can't mutters, "yes", "yes", no more questions! "Man be not created to be placed in this universe, HE IS this universe.!"
" Man is this universe!", breaking down in impossible sobs!.
The jury feeling that the whole article incomprehensable, finds for the defense and God and Gabriel are seen leaving the courthouse. Some articulate they exchange a slight smirk as the elevator doors close, but nobody really knows.
A Man is left to play surrounded by the dirt.
The God's spiritual directive is nondeterministic causality ( like the law of quantum mechanics), so at hand is free will.
Clasical physics is deterministic causality, no free will. Source(s): Bible
Quantum Mechanics
Before the dive God felt people HAD to follow him so he sent us here near the free will to follow him or not. So, we have to have free will.
Actually, I do not subscribe to this theory of Free Will. It have just the loop-holes you mentioned.
P.S. You seem to own stirred up a hornet's nest. Nobody has the answer but everybody insists 's/he' knows the best. Please don't consent to those wasps sting you. That's Momma's request to you!
Who know? I think it is a combination of both.
I don't think of God as a man that sits in attendance with a remote control that controls the world.....
Try this on, paraphased from a late-night sermon from a Black evangelical Preacher in Santa Ana, California:
"In the Beginning at hand was The Word. And God said, 'I Am the Alpha and The Omega.' "
"The Beginning AND the End. THAT is the difference between Man and God. God never STARTS anything until He ENDS it!"
"So God said, 'I am going to give Man Free Will." Now, when he said that, the Holy Ghost said, "But if you make available him Free Will, he might come to think that You don't exist, or stop believing in You. And if he think that, he is going to fall into sin. And if he falls into sin, he is going to have to be save. How can we save Man from sin?"
"And The Word said, 'I'LL GO!' You see, God NEVER begins ANYTHING until He ends it!"
Best explanation I ever hear of the Christian ethic, which will do as well as any explanation for how things are. As D.M. Thomas said, "By 'myth', I mean a popular explanation of a great truth." Think give or take a few it: it's us that think God is governed by our concept of time, only as we think that because He created us in His model, that means God looks like a man. It doesn't, you know. In God's eye, you and I might look approaching stars, or even what we call "A Universe".
God must have blundered by giving us freewill and it must own been a one-way street He chose that seems to enjoy backfired.
If we move logically forward on the proposition, freewill is responsibility and having passed it on, God can not logically exercise any power that be associated with it..... nor can He absolve us of the consequences of our exercise of freewill..... I wonder if He went wrong contained by assessing our capability to misuse it, for if not, why would He hold taken the risk? Yes, it is a risk for God, since He loves us and it would hurt Him if we hurt ourselves, which is what we are doing to an extent beyond imagination...... that proves that even God Himself is not free from facing the consequences of His own actions.... He is indeed suffering by handing over to us this freewill!!
Having said that going along the spirit of the query, let me admit however that I do not believe contained by the existence of freewill... I think it is an illusion created by our ego.... every event including what we believe to be our will, is nought but a link in the colossus of basis and effect multidimensional chain!!
God is not obliged to do anything for us. He does what He wants to do. We fell short almost 6,000 years ago contained by the Garden of Eden. But if we make mistakes and ask for help, He will provide the money to help us out. But you often hold to look hard to find it, and in the meantime, copious things can happen before the problem is sorted out.
GOD IS THE GREATEST ,HIS THINKING STARTS FROM THE END OF HUMAN MAXIMAL THOUGHTS
Without free will, we would be a race of robots. Programmed to do his will. If that was what he needed, I'm sure he would have it. Maybe he did, realized how boring it be, and then gave us free will. I wonder who God's intermediary would be? I sure wouldn't want to be his lawyer.
If morality is a separate entity from the will of God, and God traded a moral obligation to uphold goodness for a moral duty to uphold free will, then why is Humanity held, by both Humanity and God, to a moral obligation to uphold faithfulness?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuknBhy-l… Source(s): Yahweh! Answers
First you assume god exist then suggest he is adjectives to the morality police.are you denying god free will
WHY WOULD GOD BE MORALLY OBLIGATED TO DO ANYTHING? The nature of God is total love and creative flow of energy - duty is a foreign concept which has no meaning to the infinite.
I find it frustrating and unanimously a waste of time to debate this kind of issue next to anyone. I have my own understanding of what God is and am at a complete loss of words when trying to describe it to another individual. But since you have so often provided so much worthy inspiration to the inquiring minds of others (myself included), I will give it a shot.
Imagine a presence of unfathomable power, beauty and overwhelming love. Perhaps you can assume about this presence as being similar to the sun - a gaping, ever expanding and radiating energy. As soon as you identify the awesome vastness of the energy up to that time you, you begin to realize that it is everywhere - not just what you see formerly you: it is in all things, and it is a piece of you and you are a part of it. Size ceases to hold meaning. IT IS ALL.
The big question is this: How did we ever receive to a place in our evolution where we feel separated from the vast energy which is the UNIVERSAL LIFE FORCE? Why are we not aware of this spirit in our conscious minds ALL THE TIME?
Is there free will? Yes within is. Why? I don't know. A better question may be this: Why would we ever have used our free will to become separate from this uplifting, loving, all powerful energy?
I don't know what it is that maintain this perception of separateness (we are not really separated at all), but I have had period of time in my life when the perception of total separation did not exist and I have a feeling that it is inevitalbe that we will one day all be re-united near the infinate creative energy in the universe (God, or doesn`t matter what else you wish to call it).
There, I made another scrawny attempt at finding words to describe what cannot be understood in this dimension we nickname reality. I'm laughing about it. If my words seem to be silly it is because they are inadequate, but that's the best I can do.
It wouldn't be Free Will if it was tinkered next to.
Obviously He's not in somebody`s debt to do anything. He's given us many gifts, and many of us are ungrateful.
Great Q.
Believers say that God have given us free will and that's his/her greatest gift to us, but to me that just abrogates him/her of adjectives his/her responsibilities.
It is precisely the same thing that Pontius Pilate get such a bad press for.
God washes his/her hand of his/her duties to us, just like Pilate.
Jesus Christ loves all of us so very much he desires us to choose to live in heaven next to him forever...
It would not be very rewarding to know that someone is with you because you enjoy them forcefully attached to strings....
God desires us to choose him with free will, he won't tinker with it. He give his followers conviction in their heart when the do wrong, he doesn't take over their engagements.
One day though his will, will be done.
God gave us minds to chose what we have to do.
that's an easy one god is a fictional personality created by man to satisfy humanities need for a purpose of existence (to gain salvation) so no if he doesn't exist he can't control
God's grace is offered freely to all. Free Will allows respectively of us to make decisions for which we will be judge later when God decides who go to heaven or not. The 10 commandments, sermon on the mount and Christ's 11th commandment that we love one another are sound teachings which could be within the average ethics course in a college.
Sincerely,
A Roman Catholic
http://www.vatican.va
Deus meus et omnia
When God originally made man, contained by the Garden of Eden, he made a conscious choice to create humans in his image, including the right and responsibility of free choice. God is not in somebody`s debt to give free reign nor is he worried about insurance. George Burns said it best within the movie "OH God", when as God he responded to the question ..."How can you let these things appear?" by saying ..."I gave you this world and it have everything it needs for mankind, it is what you do with it that make the difference." I believe that God gives us every opportunity to do good and to get choices that are ultimately beneficial to ourselves and others. If each person make positive and universally appropriate choices the world, its inhabitants and mankind will flourish. If the choices are selfish, lacking thought and short sighted afterwards we end up where are are head right now. We have a moral and social imperative to stand up for the right and speak out against the danger of greed, hunger, abuses of all kind, and the failure to include a broader perspective to our personal needs. Source(s): The Bible, Catholic Catechism, a minor surrounded by Philosophy, a study of Jurisprudence, and a strong Irish Catholic sense of right and wrong.
Do you realise how ridiculous your query is ? You obviously know nothing something like God. Or don't believe in God and trying to stir up trouble.
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That is what the thoughtful gods of organized religion are like. My god is the Universe itself and the Earth is goddess. We are the consciousness, the sentience of the two combined surrounded by contradictions and collaberations that we call human free will and moral obligations.
Karma will never hold a grudge once you own paid restitution and learned the lesson from it. (Just something that I feel should be added here.)
As for faith I say leap and tolerate leap, people. Source(s): Divine inspiration?
<I>- You have a knack for stirring the waters...
Hats off to Gene and several others for making a stab at this.
I'll try a smaller amount ambitious response focusing on God's legal defense against the charge of negligence.
"Creation Malpractice"- great concept! The early Christians and Agnostics would enjoy been willing to sue believing that our universe be not the creation of God (as in the Almighty), but God's evil twin brother (please excuse the paraphrasing).
But then again, how can you consent to someone off the hook who is omnipotent. Isn't that what Seinfield and company get locked up for in the last episode? They could enjoy prevented the crime but did nothing?
But God might be able to muster some defense to the effect that as one who is invincible, he surly has the power to render himself not omnipotent- thus paradoxically allowing free will lacking any ultimate supervision, unable to alter his beloved flock's destiny, sort of...
But I don't reckon the jury would buy it..
Perhaps with one last desparate ploy, God fires his attorney ( probably Epictetus), and decide to question one last witness. He call, Gabriel who swears to God to tell the truth.
Gabriel, looks nervous and near good reason. He have intended to play no part in this civil suit, hoping that God, who conspicuously favored mere men over angels, would get his comeupptence. But Gabriel is not prepared for God's one simple question.
When asked, "what is man?", he must respond,
"he is but a hole".
God continues, "and if specifically true then were I to saturate them up with all that they desire, close to a hole, they would cease to exist?"
Gabriel, attempting to look away but can't mutters, "yes", "yes", no more questions! "Man be not created to be placed in this universe, HE IS this universe.!"
" Man is this universe!", breaking down in impossible sobs!.
The jury feeling that the whole article incomprehensable, finds for the defense and God and Gabriel are seen leaving the courthouse. Some articulate they exchange a slight smirk as the elevator doors close, but nobody really knows.
A Man is left to play surrounded by the dirt.
The God's spiritual directive is nondeterministic causality ( like the law of quantum mechanics), so at hand is free will.
Clasical physics is deterministic causality, no free will. Source(s): Bible
Quantum Mechanics
Before the dive God felt people HAD to follow him so he sent us here near the free will to follow him or not. So, we have to have free will.
Actually, I do not subscribe to this theory of Free Will. It have just the loop-holes you mentioned.
P.S. You seem to own stirred up a hornet's nest. Nobody has the answer but everybody insists 's/he' knows the best. Please don't consent to those wasps sting you. That's Momma's request to you!
Who know? I think it is a combination of both.
I don't think of God as a man that sits in attendance with a remote control that controls the world.....
Try this on, paraphased from a late-night sermon from a Black evangelical Preacher in Santa Ana, California:
"In the Beginning at hand was The Word. And God said, 'I Am the Alpha and The Omega.' "
"The Beginning AND the End. THAT is the difference between Man and God. God never STARTS anything until He ENDS it!"
"So God said, 'I am going to give Man Free Will." Now, when he said that, the Holy Ghost said, "But if you make available him Free Will, he might come to think that You don't exist, or stop believing in You. And if he think that, he is going to fall into sin. And if he falls into sin, he is going to have to be save. How can we save Man from sin?"
"And The Word said, 'I'LL GO!' You see, God NEVER begins ANYTHING until He ends it!"
Best explanation I ever hear of the Christian ethic, which will do as well as any explanation for how things are. As D.M. Thomas said, "By 'myth', I mean a popular explanation of a great truth." Think give or take a few it: it's us that think God is governed by our concept of time, only as we think that because He created us in His model, that means God looks like a man. It doesn't, you know. In God's eye, you and I might look approaching stars, or even what we call "A Universe".
God must have blundered by giving us freewill and it must own been a one-way street He chose that seems to enjoy backfired.
If we move logically forward on the proposition, freewill is responsibility and having passed it on, God can not logically exercise any power that be associated with it..... nor can He absolve us of the consequences of our exercise of freewill..... I wonder if He went wrong contained by assessing our capability to misuse it, for if not, why would He hold taken the risk? Yes, it is a risk for God, since He loves us and it would hurt Him if we hurt ourselves, which is what we are doing to an extent beyond imagination...... that proves that even God Himself is not free from facing the consequences of His own actions.... He is indeed suffering by handing over to us this freewill!!
Having said that going along the spirit of the query, let me admit however that I do not believe contained by the existence of freewill... I think it is an illusion created by our ego.... every event including what we believe to be our will, is nought but a link in the colossus of basis and effect multidimensional chain!!
God is not obliged to do anything for us. He does what He wants to do. We fell short almost 6,000 years ago contained by the Garden of Eden. But if we make mistakes and ask for help, He will provide the money to help us out. But you often hold to look hard to find it, and in the meantime, copious things can happen before the problem is sorted out.
GOD IS THE GREATEST ,HIS THINKING STARTS FROM THE END OF HUMAN MAXIMAL THOUGHTS
Without free will, we would be a race of robots. Programmed to do his will. If that was what he needed, I'm sure he would have it. Maybe he did, realized how boring it be, and then gave us free will. I wonder who God's intermediary would be? I sure wouldn't want to be his lawyer.
If morality is a separate entity from the will of God, and God traded a moral obligation to uphold goodness for a moral duty to uphold free will, then why is Humanity held, by both Humanity and God, to a moral obligation to uphold faithfulness?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuknBhy-l… Source(s): Yahweh! Answers
First you assume god exist then suggest he is adjectives to the morality police.are you denying god free will
WHY WOULD GOD BE MORALLY OBLIGATED TO DO ANYTHING? The nature of God is total love and creative flow of energy - duty is a foreign concept which has no meaning to the infinite.
I find it frustrating and unanimously a waste of time to debate this kind of issue next to anyone. I have my own understanding of what God is and am at a complete loss of words when trying to describe it to another individual. But since you have so often provided so much worthy inspiration to the inquiring minds of others (myself included), I will give it a shot.
Imagine a presence of unfathomable power, beauty and overwhelming love. Perhaps you can assume about this presence as being similar to the sun - a gaping, ever expanding and radiating energy. As soon as you identify the awesome vastness of the energy up to that time you, you begin to realize that it is everywhere - not just what you see formerly you: it is in all things, and it is a piece of you and you are a part of it. Size ceases to hold meaning. IT IS ALL.
The big question is this: How did we ever receive to a place in our evolution where we feel separated from the vast energy which is the UNIVERSAL LIFE FORCE? Why are we not aware of this spirit in our conscious minds ALL THE TIME?
Is there free will? Yes within is. Why? I don't know. A better question may be this: Why would we ever have used our free will to become separate from this uplifting, loving, all powerful energy?
I don't know what it is that maintain this perception of separateness (we are not really separated at all), but I have had period of time in my life when the perception of total separation did not exist and I have a feeling that it is inevitalbe that we will one day all be re-united near the infinate creative energy in the universe (God, or doesn`t matter what else you wish to call it).
There, I made another scrawny attempt at finding words to describe what cannot be understood in this dimension we nickname reality. I'm laughing about it. If my words seem to be silly it is because they are inadequate, but that's the best I can do.
It wouldn't be Free Will if it was tinkered next to.
Obviously He's not in somebody`s debt to do anything. He's given us many gifts, and many of us are ungrateful.
Great Q.
Believers say that God have given us free will and that's his/her greatest gift to us, but to me that just abrogates him/her of adjectives his/her responsibilities.
It is precisely the same thing that Pontius Pilate get such a bad press for.
God washes his/her hand of his/her duties to us, just like Pilate.
Jesus Christ loves all of us so very much he desires us to choose to live in heaven next to him forever...
It would not be very rewarding to know that someone is with you because you enjoy them forcefully attached to strings....
God desires us to choose him with free will, he won't tinker with it. He give his followers conviction in their heart when the do wrong, he doesn't take over their engagements.
One day though his will, will be done.
God gave us minds to chose what we have to do.
that's an easy one god is a fictional personality created by man to satisfy humanities need for a purpose of existence (to gain salvation) so no if he doesn't exist he can't control
God's grace is offered freely to all. Free Will allows respectively of us to make decisions for which we will be judge later when God decides who go to heaven or not. The 10 commandments, sermon on the mount and Christ's 11th commandment that we love one another are sound teachings which could be within the average ethics course in a college.
Sincerely,
A Roman Catholic
http://www.vatican.va
Deus meus et omnia
When God originally made man, contained by the Garden of Eden, he made a conscious choice to create humans in his image, including the right and responsibility of free choice. God is not in somebody`s debt to give free reign nor is he worried about insurance. George Burns said it best within the movie "OH God", when as God he responded to the question ..."How can you let these things appear?" by saying ..."I gave you this world and it have everything it needs for mankind, it is what you do with it that make the difference." I believe that God gives us every opportunity to do good and to get choices that are ultimately beneficial to ourselves and others. If each person make positive and universally appropriate choices the world, its inhabitants and mankind will flourish. If the choices are selfish, lacking thought and short sighted afterwards we end up where are are head right now. We have a moral and social imperative to stand up for the right and speak out against the danger of greed, hunger, abuses of all kind, and the failure to include a broader perspective to our personal needs. Source(s): The Bible, Catholic Catechism, a minor surrounded by Philosophy, a study of Jurisprudence, and a strong Irish Catholic sense of right and wrong.
Do you realise how ridiculous your query is ? You obviously know nothing something like God. Or don't believe in God and trying to stir up trouble.
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